Crystal Palace and West Brom already find themselves fairly firmly entrenched in the relegation mire but their prospects could be even worse than they look.
Both sides, particularly the Baggies, were embroiled in a tooth and nail struggles against demotion for much of last term – no change there.
However, if their results this season are compared to those they earned in the same fixtures last season it becomes clear that the straits in which they sail may be more dire still.
The 9/4 about West Brom being relegated this term looks plenty juicy considering they gathered ten points more from the commensurate outings in 2013/14.
Under the now-departed Steve Clarke and the similarly defunct Pepe Mel they finished just one place and three points from doom in the previous campaign.
An inability to win at home is key to the shortfall, with Palace, Sunderland and West Ham all escaping the Hawthorns with points having dropped all three last term.
Only Everton are suffering a worse downturn in season-on-season points profits and their manager Alan Irvine is now the 2/1 favourite to be the next Premier League boss to leave his post.
Palace, meanwhile, are doing everything they did under Tony Pulis under Neil Warnock, just slightly less effectively.
With the Welshman’s approach based on the football of fine margins it’s been enough to see Palace eight points worse off the pace of last year’s exploits against the same opponents.
The Eagles cheated the drop by an air-cushioned 12 points from the hangman’s noose in 2013/14.
However, their price of 7/4 to go down this season is not as fanciful as that gap makes it seem if their returns continue to diminish at the current rate over the course of the current campaign.
Both sides remain longer in the relegation betting than Burnely (9/20) Leicester, Queens Park Rangers and (both even money).